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Moral Maze

Isolation

Moral Maze

BBC

Society & Culture, Religion & Spirituality

4.4623 Ratings

🗓️ 26 March 2020

⏱️ 43 minutes

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Summary

Some of the UK’s national parks saw visitor numbers soar to bank holiday levels over the weekend. The message about social distancing and self-isolation is taking time to sink in. "Life should not feel normal," said the Scottish First Minister, Nicola Sturgeon. If it does, she added, “You should ask if you are doing the right things." The public’s response to these unprecedented times has exemplified the best and the worst of humanity. What, then, does the coronavirus crisis tell us about the fundamental nature of our species? Your answer to that question will depend on whether you agree with the 17th century philosopher Thomas Hobbes that people are naturally disposed to ‘rapine and revenge’; or with the 18th century thinker Jean-Jacques Rousseau that humans are essentially good. The tussle between self-interest and altruism has been part of the human condition since we were decorating caves. Now an ever-tightening lockdown will make life-changing demands on all of us. We are social animals who evolved and adapted to survive in groups, so how well are we equipped to cope with extended periods of self-isolation? Some predict an epidemic of depression and suicides. Others argue that we are far more adept at developing our own inner life than were our ancestors in the ancient world, who saw exile as a fate worse than death. Are we right to be worried about the moral and psychological effects of a prolonged lack of human contact? Or are we more resilient than we think? With Hilda Burke, Andrew Colman, Julia Hartley-Brewer and Mark Vernon.

Producer: Dan Tierney.

Transcript

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0:00.0

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0:15.3

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0:19.8

Good evening. If the 17th century philosopher Thomas Hobbes

0:22.9

were to have come back to life

0:24.1

in our local Sainsbury's last weekend,

0:26.0

he would have felt completely vindicated.

0:28.3

The stripped shelves stood mute witness

0:30.5

to human selfishness.

0:32.1

Testimony for his bleak view

0:33.6

that in our state of nature

0:35.0

it would be war of all against all. Without the restraint

0:38.9

of authority, he famously said, the life of man was solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short.

0:45.1

Not solitary enough, as it turns out, now that we're being locked up for our own good,

0:49.0

because we won't do what we're told. Does the panic buying, the careless weekend gatherings,

0:54.1

the apparent unconcern for others

0:55.9

and the public good, show we're fundamentally self-centered, that virtue has to be learned,

1:00.7

if not imposed? Or was Jean-Jacques Rousseau, a philosopher who took the opposite view,

1:05.8

nearer the truth? There's been generosity, self-sacrifice even, too, this last week.

1:11.2

Altruism that Rousseau, a ruthless libertine himself, incidentally, would have said, showed we are naturally good.

1:17.5

We began with uncorrupted morals and civilisation has been the problem, not the solution.

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