Is your organization a little culty? with NXIVM whistleblower Sarah Edmondson

ReThinking

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4.7 • 626 Ratings

🗓️ 27 February 2024

⏱️ 34 minutes

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Summary

Sarah Edmondson escaped and blew the whistle against NXIVM, the cult masquerading as a “personal and professional development company.” With clarity and a surprising and wry sense of humor, Sarah shares her lessons about the dark sides of charisma. She and Adam discuss what makes groups a little (or a lot) culty, the telltale signs of manipulation, and why our highest loyalty belongs to principles — not people.

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1:52.5	Hey everyone, it's Adam Grant.
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1:56.2	my podcast on the Science of What Makes Us Tick
1:58.4	with the TED Audio Collective.
2:00.1	I'm an organizational psychologist, and I'm taking you inside the minds of What Makes Us Tick with the TED Audio Collective. I'm an organizational psychologist,
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2:10.4	My guest today is Sarah Edmondson,
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