Hello, this is the Webbox Podcast. I'm Matt Chauley. Don't forget you can listen to the

whole show live on your radio, on your DAB radio, on your smartspeaker or on the Times Radio

app at 10-1, Monday to Friday. But thanks for catching up on the podcast wherever

you're listening. Coming up on today's episode, you'll have heard on Friday's episode,

my interview and the deems are hard with the education section. It was one of the things

really struck me as him talking about the energy bills going up for schools, the impact

that might be having on schools. We've heard loads of stories of schools trying looking

at them to cut their budgets, maybe school dinners are shrinking because of rising food prices.

So we take an in-depth look at that and our big things today. So that's coming up in

just a moment on the podcast. First though, as ever, we kick off with our columnist panel,

no Libby Perris today because she's still on our boat. So instead, Rachel Salfesta is joined

by Cowell Lewis, the columnist on Times Radio. Yeah, no Libby Rachel this week because Libby

is off on our boat. And as we discovered last week, the signal's not good. So, joining

me in the studio, we've got Times Deputy Property Property at Cowell Lewis. Hello. How are

you? Very well. Nice to have you with us. And we've also joined by Rachel Salfesta,

Morning Rachel. Morning. Nice to have you both here. Let's talk about the politics of

a windfall tax. It feels as if there's sort of something in the air, something's going on.

And it's now we've gone from absolutely not we're not doing that to we're still completely

opposed to it, but nothing's off the table. It feels like that's the direction we're

inching our way towards, you know, George Osborne said over the week, and he thought it was inevitable.

Cowell, the economics of a windfall tax, does it make sense? In some ways, yes.

The taxation of oil and gas companies is more complicated than you might think. They pay

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