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🗓️ 14 October 2025
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| 0:00.0 | from WNYC studios I'm Brian Lerer this is my daily politics podcast it's Tuesday October 14th |
| 0:13.2 | today the ongoing turmoil at the centers for disease control and the implications for keeping track of what's |
| 0:23.6 | making, what's sickening Americans and what's killing us. The agency terminated around 1,300 |
| 0:29.6 | employees on Friday, not just furloughed in the shutdown, but laid them off. But then quickly |
| 0:36.3 | work to rescind about half of those notices the next day. |
| 0:41.9 | That's according to the union that represents federal employees. |
| 0:45.0 | So what happened here? |
| 0:45.9 | The New York Times reports those rehired were, quote, mistakenly fired in what appeared to be a substantial procedural lapse. |
| 0:55.0 | So at least more doge-like sloppiness, we can say. |
| 0:59.0 | The remaining 600 still laid off were in offices, including the National Center for Injury Prevention and Control, |
| 1:08.0 | the National Center for Health Statistics, and the CDC's Washington |
| 1:12.2 | office, which is the channel for communications with Congress, all of that as described by Axios. |
| 1:18.7 | Health and Human Services Communications Director Andrew Nixon said the government acts, quote, |
| 1:23.8 | non-essential employees. Now, on Friday evening, President Trump, speaking to reporters in the |
| 1:29.5 | White House with Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr., behind him, suggested the layoffs would |
| 1:34.6 | target, quote, Democrat-oriented agencies in response to Democrats not voting to approve a stopgap |
| 1:41.8 | measure to fund the government. Listen. How many layoffs have you authorized for this first round and from which agencies? |
| 1:47.8 | And it will be Democrat-oriented because we figured, you know, they started this thing, |
| 1:51.8 | so they should be Democrat-oriented. |
| 1:54.7 | While several other agencies were impacted by the layoffs, the CDC was hit particularly hard. I guess they consider it |
| 2:02.3 | Democrat to count how many people are getting sick or dying in from what? This is the latest |
| 2:08.8 | of several incidents impacting the agency, including back in April, and we talked about it at the time |
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