Is social cohesion a moral good? And can governments influence it?
Moral Maze
BBC
4.5 • 609 Ratings
🗓️ 3 July 2025
⏱️ 57 minutes
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Summary
Are we at risk of becoming “an island of strangers”? The Prime Minister, backtracking on many fronts, has apologised for the phrase - he says he hadn’t read it properly before he said it – but he’s backed a grand-sounding Independent Commission that’s now at work to fix a society it says is a “tinderbox of division”. Is it? Social attitude surveys suggest we’re one of the most tolerant countries on earth. What do we mean by social cohesion? Is it something wider than community cohesion? What about the class divisions? Is it important for us all to mix with each or a natural human instinct to cleave to those who are like you? Is social cohesion a moral good in itself? And is ‘getting on with each other’ something that can be achieved by government fiat?
PANELLISTS: INAYA FOLARIN-IMAN, LORD JONATHAN SUMPTION, PROF MONA SIDDIQUI, SONIA SODHA WITNESSES: MATTHEW SYED, Journalist SIMON LEVINE from ODI, a global affairs think tank JULIE SIDDIQI, Community relations consultant RAVI GURUMURTHY, CEO of NESTA, the UK innovation foundation for social good Chaired by Michael Buerk
PRODUCER: Catherine Murray ASST PRODUCER: Peter Everett EDITOR: Tim Pemberton
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| 0:00.0 | BBC Sounds, music, radio, podcasts. |
| 0:04.7 | Good evening. The diagnosis is dire. We're living in a deeply unhealthy society, says the Prime Minister, |
| 0:11.2 | riven by division and decline. The cure? A grand-sounding independent commission on community and |
| 0:18.0 | cohesion, which has just started work, warning Britain is a |
| 0:21.6 | tinderbox of disconnection and division that threatens democracy itself. An existential problem then, |
| 0:28.5 | if not an obviously urgent one. The Commission is a response to the riots after the Southport |
| 0:33.8 | stabbing's very nearly a year ago. It has another year to come up with ways to make |
| 0:39.3 | us get on better with each other, to develop what it calls a greater sense of belonging. |
| 0:44.9 | Lots of questions here. First, is it really that much of a problem? There are those who say |
| 0:49.0 | summer riots are not exactly new, and surveys of social attitudes suggest we're getting |
| 0:53.9 | steadily less prejudiced, |
| 0:55.9 | one of the most tolerant countries in the world, in fact. |
| 0:58.9 | Second, is social cohesion really a moral imperative? |
| 1:02.5 | Canadians, for instance, prefer to see their society as a mosaic rather than a melting pot, |
| 1:07.4 | and the scandal over Pakistani grooming gangs seems to some as a consequence |
| 1:12.3 | of prioritising community relations over justice. Lastly, is the objective, community at a local |
| 1:19.4 | level, camaraderie at a national level, a shared vision of how we want to live together, |
| 1:24.8 | achievable by government action? What prize social cohesion? |
| 1:29.0 | The moral maze tonight. |
| 1:30.2 | The panel, Mona Siddiqui, professor of Islamic and inter-religious studies at Edinburgh University, |
| 1:35.4 | the columnist and broadcaster Sonia Soda, the commentator and campaigner, |
| 1:39.5 | Inaya Fularena, and the former Supreme Court judge, Lord Sumption, Jonathan Sumpion, Sonia Soda. |
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