Welcome to Betrayal Trauma Recovery, BTR.org. I'm Anne. I'm sure you remember what it was like when you were searching for help,

maybe for your husband, hoping to find the right program or therapist. That's why I started podcasting.

I supported my husband through seven years of pornography addiction recovery and not one therapist during that time,

told me I was experiencing emotional

and psychological abuse and sexual coercion. I didn't want any other woman on the planet to be in the

dark. If you're like the majority of my listeners, you're experiencing the type of abuse that's

invisible and difficult to wrap your head around. Your husband is using porn or having affairs or lying to you, and you're getting the same

bad advice about how to improve communication or your relationship.

If you need support from women who totally understand, check out our daily group session

schedule at BTR.org slash group.

We'd love to see you in a session today.

One simple, anonymous way to help spread the word

is to click, follow, or subscribe to the Betrayal Trauma Recovery podcast on your favorite podcasting app.

While you're there, every five-star rating helps make this podcast more visible and will help

save other women from getting the wrong kind of help, like a couple

program that will make this type of abuse worse. For those of you who follow or subscribe to this

podcast, thank you so much. Your support means so much to me. Dr. Jill Manning is here today. I am so

excited to have her because so many women are wondering about couples therapy.

We have women in our groups who are asking questions, who are saying, hey, I need a good couples therapist.

Where should I go?

And that's what we're going to talk about today.

I've seen two different situations with couples therapy that I'm just going to introduce

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