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The Good Fight

Is It Wrong to Believe in Racial Progress?

The Good Fight

Yascha Mounk

News

4.7 • 963 Ratings

🗓️ 9 January 2021

⏱️ 58 minutes

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Summary

Born and raised on the South Side of Chicago, Glenn Loury became Harvard's first black tenured professor of economics at 33. Now, he’s one of the country’s most irreverent thinkers on racial inequality--often challenging an emerging consensus on the nature and causes of structural racism. In this week’s conversation, Yascha Mounk and Glenn Loury discuss the nature of racism, how much progress America has (or hasn't) made over the past fifty years, and what a just society would look like. Please do listen and spread the word about The Good Fight. If you have not yet signed up for our podcast, please do so now by following this link on your phone. Email: goodfightpod@gmail.com Twitter: @Yascha_Mounk Website: http://www.persuasion.community Podcast production by John T. Williams and Rebecca Rashid Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

It's a lie. The story that white supremacy has its knee on the neck of Black America is simply false.

0:07.0

The idea that a black person dare not step from their door for fear that the police would round you up or gun you down or bludging you to death is simply ridiculous.

0:16.8

That's like not going outside for fear that I'll be struck by lightning.

0:21.2

The ten dentious interpretation of every one of these incidents of police and African American

0:26.4

encounter, such that it is red as if it were the latter day instantiation of the lynching

0:31.8

of Emmett Till is clearly preposterous.

0:37.0

And now the good fight with Yasha Monk. Over the last month's

0:45.0

last month's Donald Trump has staged an unprecedented attack on our democracy. He has refused to accept the outcome of a free and fair election.

1:00.0

He has spread wild conspiracy theories and in the last days he has even summoned a mob of

1:10.0

insurrectionists to Washington DC D.C. a mob which ultimately assorted and invaded the

1:16.8

capital stopping elected representatives from doing their job.

1:23.0

If there was a magic want I could wave to remove Trump from office

1:28.0

and make sure that we never have to hear from him or his most fervent supporters again my arm would now be in need of urgent medical attention.

1:39.8

But there isn't all of the realistic paths for removing Trump from office are likely to fail and to have big adverse consequences.

1:56.3

So I understand why so many Democratic leaders

1:59.4

on Congress, I understand why so many writers who I trust admire many members of

2:04.6

Persuasion's Board of Advisors have called for Trump to be impeached or for the

2:09.7

Cabinet to exercise the 25th Amendment But I think it would be a big mistake. Here's why.

2:17.0

The 25th Amendment would have the advantage that it would be many of Trump's own

2:22.0

appointees starting those proceedings.

2:25.1

So it wouldn't be a completely partisan action from the beginning,

2:28.8

but it has two big disadvantages.

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