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Lights On with Carl Lentz

Is It Possible To Get Over Church Hurt?

Lights On with Carl Lentz

B-Side

Religion & Spirituality, Christianity, Society & Culture

4.6701 Ratings

🗓️ 18 June 2025

⏱️ 78 minutes

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Summary

In this powerful episode of Lights On, Carl Lentz sits down with longtime friend Andrew Simila for a raw, vulnerable conversation about healing after church hurt. The two reflect on their years of ministry at Hillsong, the fallout that followed, and the emotional wreckage left behind.


Andrew opens up about the personal cost of staying loyal, the silence that followed the scandal, and the hard work it took to rebuild from rock bottom. Carl shares how one unexpected phone call with Andrew became the turning point in his own healing journey.


Together, they explore what it really means to forgive, grow, and show up healthier than before—not for anyone else, but for yourself.


This episode of Lights On is a gripping reminder that restoration is possible, but only if you’re willing to do the work.


Chapter Markers:


00:00 - The Impact of Church Hurt

07:55 - Restoration Is Possible — But It Takes Work

15:30 - How Coaching Triggered a Healing Journey

23:06 - Trying to Rebuild Life After Hillsong

30:20 - Comfort vs. Growth: The Coaching Mindset

38:30 - What 'Church Hurt' Really Means

45:12 - The Real Work Behind Reconciliation

52:06 - Victim Mentality vs. Ownership

59:27 - How to Rewrite Your Story

1:06:57 - Digging Deep to Heal for Real Growth

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0:00.0

This Hillsong church for some people might be or the mega church that holds a lot of real estate in your life.

0:06.9

What if that wasn't the case? What have you held the real estate? I want reconciliation. I miss my friend.

0:12.9

I miss the teams. I miss the people. Like we still, I still laugh today about the moments we had in New York.

0:20.7

The thing that people don't tell you when church heard happens is it's We still, I still laugh today about the moments we had in New York.

0:26.2

This thing that people don't tell you when church hurt happens is it's like a tsunami of sorts that wipes out everything.

0:28.0

And what I'm saying is, wait, hold on, like experience the pain, experience the hurt,

0:34.4

feel it, like be okay with the sadness and the hurt and the pain of the frustration

0:38.7

because it's real the nights I spent crying and weeping and agony and trauma and like grief like

0:46.8

far out like that is that's real like and an anger and frustration and and you can build on that.

0:56.4

Yeah.

0:56.7

But it might not serve your future.

0:59.1

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