Hello, everyone, welcome to the Esau McCauley podcast.

I'm your host, Issaa McCauley.

We're joined by, oh, my goodness.

Did you forget my name?

Every single time.

I would tell you, as I'm opening up the podcast, as I'm opening up the podcast, I'm

deciding who to go to first.

And I was thinking about every time I come to you last, I was like, I want to go to Mike first. And then I was thinking, I'm not sure that's the best idea. But joining the podcast today. We have co-host and producing Mike. Thank you for coming on the podcast. I just want to say we also have a special guest. Sharon will get to you in a second. But we have Sarah from your church, your worship pastor at your church. And I find it interesting that she's been working at your church for a long time. Yeah, it is. That's true. Has never shown up to watch a podcast recording. No. But she's doing some work for the Holy Post. She's working with me. And like the first day of her working with me, she's like, can I listen to you, Mike, on the podcast? And I just like, I just thought it was interesting that she met me for a day and was like, I need to observe this podcast, has worked with you for six months and never got here. Let me tell you one of the things I love about my church is how unconcerned they are with anything that I do. I can't get them to read a single article that I write. They listen to my podcast. I'm happy they listen to the sermon on Sunday. So asking them to consume extra Esau-Micollic content, my other content, that's probably way too much. We're also joined by Sharon Heidi Miller, a co-pastor of Bright City Church in North Carolina. Where is it, Raleigh? That's right. Durham. Durham. Oh, I was so close. I was so close. Okay. So I wanted to open up the podcast because, you know, I'm a fan of the arts. Yeah. I don't know if you know this.

I'm a fan of the arts.

But apparently me and Timothy, is it Chalemont?

Sure, we'll go with that.

Yeah.

Timothy Chalemet.

Salome.

Shalame.

It's Chalemet.

But I feel like it's French.

And I feel like it's don't. Maybe. You know what? We will save your French accent for another episode.

So he was being interviewed and he was talking about movies.

And he was saying that the movies have actually changed a lot recently where the set pieces

and the big action scenes were towards the end.

And now they had to move them towards the beginning or the middle of the film because

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