The sickest part about it is that it's very easy to hide how disordered your habits are because they look like you're just really disciplined or really health conscious, especially, you know, with the rise of the wellness industry at the same time.

They're applauded.

Yeah. And it's hard to change a behavior when you're getting applauded for doing that behavior.

Yeah. Let it out of you.

Hi, welcome back.

You're listening to Let It Out with me, Katie Dale about.

This week on the podcast, I have a conversation with my friend Helen Phelan.

Helen is a body neutral, intuitive Pilates instructor and the founder of a digital Pilates and Mindful Fitness platform called Helen Phelan Studio.

She is an ex-professional dancer and an eating disorder survivor. And Helen and I obviously have a lot in common and not that I was a

professional dancer, but I do have the other one, as you might know. Helen and I connected in New York

and we talk about how we met a little bit in

this episode and her approach to movement based on her experience with diet culture and how it

keeps people stuck in this bad body image loop and it makes them dread exercise, but exercise

can actually be really mood boosting and stabilizing.

And her methodology with movement is this really non-harmful post-recovery format that has been

really helpful for me. So we have connected and collaborated several times.

You might remember she's actually been on the show before, which we mentioned at the beginning of this, this summer, because we did four workshops together over the course of the pandemic starting last spring.

And we blended movement and journaling together, the mind and the body,

and this way that I found really nourishing and useful. So if you want to, we had a different

theme for each of those workshops and one of them was about anxiety, one of them was about transitions, one of them was about pain.

And so two of those workshops are now available for the replay if you weren't there in person and you want to watch the replay.

We were going to put it on our website and sell it, but we decided to just make it free.

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