My name is Ryan Evans. You mostly know me as the editor-in-chief of Warren the Rocks, but I'm also

the publisher of a new journal called the Texas National Security Review, which we at Warren the Rocks

produce with the University of Texas. Check it out at TNSR.org. This is the first episode of a new podcast called

Horns of a dilemma. It features the many thinkers and leaders who work out and

visit the various centers and institutions of the University of Texas. We'll be featuring the first two or three

episodes on the War on the Rock's Feed, but you can and should subscribe yourself to horns of a dilemma

on your podcast app of choice. Fittingly, the first episode is a conversation on leadership, especially in national security.

Moderated by Willen Bowden, the director of the Clemens Center and editor-in-chief of the Texas National

Security Review.

This discussion features Admiral William McRabin, the Chancellor of the University of Texas

System. John Brennan, former Director of the CIA and now Senior Advisor to the Intelligence Studies

Project at UT. Admiral Bobby Inman, the Linden B Johnson Centennial Chair in National Policy at UT,

former Director of the NSA, and former Deputy Director of Central Intelligence,

and finally Julian Castro, the Dean's Distinguished Fellow at the LB.B.J. School Public Affairs,

former Secretary of Housing and Urban Development under Barack Obama,

and Mayor of San Antonio before that. Now over to Will.

A little bit of a introductory experiment.

I started trying to tabulate the number of people

who have been under their direct leadership

in some form or another, their subjects, if you will,

and also tried to tabulate the number of years of decades of

combined leadership experience here, but I'm just a historian. It was a lot more than I can count.

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