What's up, Motivators? Today's podcast guest is Nicholas Ramirez. And who is Nicholas? He is the

coach that we worked with on our Motiv training app to create the swim run training plans that we

now have in the app. We started with just triathlon in the app and now we have triathlon, running

races, cycling races, duathlons, swim runs. And we ended up

partnering with, I'm saying end it up a lot. If you catch it, take a sip. So we partnered with

really successful coaches in each of these disciplines who share the same balanced approach that we espouse in motive.

Nicholas is one of those coaches, very, very successful swim runner himself.

He was one of the first swim runners in the world.

And I believe he holds the title of being on the podium or something along those lines in more world swim run race series races than anyone in the world.

It's something like that.

Like he's a very, very decorated swim runner.

And he's also the head coach of Team Envol.

That's Envol.

He created two swim run programs for us, one a sprint that is like the

hour and a half to two and a half hour sort of distance and then one that is the ultra adventure.

I got to say that I am really, really into the idea of swim run. I ended up. I did a swim run this summer with a friend,

and it was just a workout, but it was so, so fun, going from one point to another and figuring out

how we did it without a map and without pylons guiding us and figuring out how to work together

with all of our gear and the tether and be towed and then run together.

It was so much fun because it was endurance.

It was fitness.

It was challenging ourselves, but it was a lot less about, all right,

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