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Pushkin.

The first time I visited Lucas O'Rilverde in Matugrosso was in May 2025.

On my first day there, I decided to head over to Bruce Rastiter's ethanol refinery,

F.S., fueling sustainability, to take some photos.

The day had down a bit cloudy, but it was hot, over 30 degrees Celsius.

After lunch, a cold wind started blowing.

At three in the afternoon, when I was outside the refinery, the sky suddenly darkened.

The wind started whipping up sand and everything turned reddish.

I managed to film a few seconds of the scene before rushing into my car.

The wind was shaking the imperial palm trees violently, and I was afraid one of them might

follow me. On my drive back to the hotel, I saw palm branches scattered across the road,

a fallen utility pole, and a torn billboard. Then the rain came, and the

temperature dropped it to about 15 degrees. I kept wondering if that had been an extreme event, or if this

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