People have a strange view about spiritual, just like they do a meditation.

Spirituality doesn't have to be like common all flowery robes and language and trappings and ritual.

We are the divine, we are the spirit, we are the eternal spirit. How we

manage ourselves, how resilient we are to the challenges in our life. That is spirituality.

Spirituality is your natural state. You are God, you are source. There's countless paths

up a spiritual mountain. Is there a simple practice that you found is very effective?

I've had the blessings of being a meditative for over 30 years and what I find is that...

Ah Jay, so very nice to meet you. Thanks for... is that

Jay so very nice to meet you. Thanks for joining me on the Mark Devine show.

Pleasure to be here, Mark.

Thank you for having me.

Oh, you're welcome.

So you're coming to us from Washington, D.C.

Where you said the headquarters of the Art of Living Foundation?

Yes, yes. Our US headquarters are here in Washington, D.C.

It's on Meridian Hill, which was envisioned as the new meridian for the world.

So we're right over here on meridian hill,

just about a mile from the White House.

That's interesting.

There's so much symbolism that was brought

into the construction of that city, you know, by the founding fathers.

It's fascinating when you get back there and really understand.

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