One of the big takeaways from this is, is our system flood not in the sense that more people can't access that process

but in just giving that much process in the sense that someone like Donald Trump

can abuse it. Most criminal defendants never get the chance to exercise all of their

due process rights. Donald Trump is stretching due process beyond its point of elasticity. Hello and welcome to Wises is happening with me your host Chris Hayes.

Well I'm guessing that you are aware that Donald Trump is on trial in a New York

Criminal Court in Manhattan for a scheme to influence improperly and unlawfully

influence the 2016 election through the falsification of business records.

That's the official indictment. It's 34 counts of those

falsification business records. It's 34 felony counts and it's a felony because that falsification

of business records which would otherwise be a misdemeanor were done in

pursuit of another crime which is the unlawful influence of the 2016 election and the violation

of both state and federal criminal law as regards campaign finance regulation.

That case is ongoing and we're covering it a lot on the TV show,

but I thought it would be a good opportunity to take some

time to sort of dive deeper on the case here in the with pod format.

I get to talk to today's guest all the time on air but it is in the cable news

snippets of maybe five minutes maybe eight minutes were running long and so I

wanted to sort of sit down and go through the case go through the first week of the trial so far, talk a little

more broadly about the implications sort of legally and even philosophically about watching this

trial unfold and what it means about the American

system of justice. And so I'm going to get right into it with today's guest who's

Lisa Rubin. She's the MS-MBC legal correspondent. If you watch MS-MBC on air, you see her all the time.

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