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The Happiness Lab with Dr. Laurie Santos

Inside the Love Lab with Drs. John & Julie Gottman (Part 1)

The Happiness Lab with Dr. Laurie Santos

Pushkin Industries

Society & Culture, Health & Fitness

4.714.8K Ratings

🗓️ 2 March 2026

⏱️ 47 minutes

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Summary

In this classic episode, Dr. Laurie speaks with two of the world’s most influential relationship scientists, Drs. John Gottman and Julie Schwartz Gottman.

In their renowned “Love Lab,” the married researchers have studied thousands of couples, identifying the subtle interaction patterns that predict whether partners will drift apart or stay happily together for decades.

They join Dr. Laurie to share what we can learn from these “Masters of Relationships” — and how to build partnerships resilient enough to withstand life’s inevitable stresses and strains.

Further reading: Fight Right: How Successful Couples Turn Conflict into Connection by Dr. John Gottman and Dr. Julie Schwartz Gottman.

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0:00.0

Pushkin.

0:10.8

One of my favorite things about hosting this podcast is having a chance to meet longtime fans of the show.

0:18.0

I love hearing what listeners like you take away from different episodes and

0:21.6

answering burning questions. But there's one question from long-term listeners that I get a lot.

0:26.7

It's this. Is there an episode that you as the host return to again and again? One that has

0:32.2

advice that you continue to need even as an expert on this research? That, of course, is a tough question to answer,

0:38.6

because I love pretty much all the episodes we've had a chance to share with you. But there is one

0:43.2

pair of episodes that I do come back to again and again, especially when I've been thinking

0:47.6

about the science of relationships, as we've been doing over the past few shows. It's a double

0:52.1

episode that I did with John and Julie Gottman, a scientist couple who spent

0:56.6

over 50 years studying the science of love.

0:59.5

So in honor of this season on the science of relationships, I wanted to share this set of

1:03.5

episodes one more time.

1:05.3

In the first episode, which you'll hear today, the Gottman's share what research shows

1:09.3

about the surprising power of attention and curiosity

1:12.3

for strengthening our relationships. You'll get to hear all the Gottman's insights right after the

1:17.5

Happiness Lab returns from this quick break. This is an I-Heart podcast.

1:28.6

Guaranteed human.

1:41.1

These days, there's really no shortage of relationship advice out there.

1:44.8

There are the usual Dear Abby and Modern Love type columns and newspapers and magazines. There are also reality TV dating shows, couples podcasts, TikTok videos,

1:51.4

Instagram Reels, Reddit dating threads, and on and on and on. Some of this advice is helpful,

1:57.7

but a lot of it isn't backed up by empirical evidence. I wanted to explore what

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