Inside Johnson's final weeks – with Sebastian Payne

The Bunker – News without the nonsense

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🗓️ 15 December 2022

⏱️ 24 minutes

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Boris Johnson’s endgame was a gripping spectacle of hubris, betrayal, power struggles and bare-faced self-interest. But what went down behind the scenes? Sebastian Payne lays out the drama in his new book The Fall of Boris Johnson: The Full Story. The former Financial Times’s Whitehall Editor tells Ros Taylor about the contradictions that drove Johnson’s career, the truth about his relationship with Zelenskyy… and how parties at No.10 helped bring down a man who doesn’t even like parties. “Johnson is gone but his domestic policies still shape Westminster.” “In Kyiv they can’t understand why we got rid of Johnson.” “Johnson never had the right people around him.” www.patreon.com/bunkercast Written and presented by Ros Taylor. Lead Producer: Jacob Jarvis. Producers: Alex Rees and Jet Gerbertson. Assistant producer: Kasia Tomasiewicz. Audio production by Jade Bailey. Music: Kenny Dickinson. Group editor: Andrew Harrison. THE BUNKER is a Podmasters Production. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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1:11.0	Mission largely accomplished for now. Over the years I've talked to many people
1:19.1	on the bunker and our sister podcast, Oh God what now, about Boris Johnson. His ego, his will to power, he's
1:26.0	amorality, as many people see it. We were trying to understand how a flawed individual rose
1:30.6	so high and speculating about what would eventually bring him down.
1:34.2	Well, now he is down.
1:36.5	And one of the people who followed his downfall most closely was F.T. journalist Sebastian Payne,
1:41.8	who joins me today to talk about his book The Fall of Boris Johnson, The Full Story.
1:46.6	Sebastian, welcome to the bunker.
1:48.4	Thank you very much for having me.
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