This is In Conversation from Apple News.

I'm Shemita Basu. Today, inside Elon Musk and the team running the Department of Government

Efficiency sat down with Fox News's Brett Baer. It was the first time the group did an interview

since they took control of several of the biggest government agency budgets in January.

Well, this is a revolution.

And I think it might be the biggest revolution in government since the original revolution.

Over the course of just a few weeks, Doge has swept through the federal government with extensive budget cuts, mass firings, and unmitigated data mining.

Our goal is to reduce the waste and fraud by $4 billion a day every day, seven days a week.

And so far we are succeeding.

Critics, including government employees and members of Congress, have raised concerns that Doge is acting without transparency,

accountability, or proper security

clearances, and that it's the role of Congress, which controls the purse strings, to reduce

the size and scope of government agencies. Not Doge, a group that Congress didn't create or approve,

but Musk told Bayer they are following the law. We're trying to keep Congress as informed as possible, but the law does say that money needs to be spent correctly.

It should not be spent fraudulently or wastefully.

It's not contrary to Congress to avoid waste and fraud.

It is consistent with the law and consistent with Congress.

For those who have followed Musk's career as a tech leader, his management style might not be surprising.

Sources have told us that Musk and his lackeys are treating this like a takeover of a tech company.

But it's not a tech company, it's the government.

That's Leah Feiger, senior politics editor at Wired.

And the thing about most startups is that most startups fail. And that's Zoe Schiffer,

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