Welcome to the global phenomenon, Surviving the Survivor, where we bring you the best guests in all of true crime.

Here's your host, Emmy Award-winning journalist Joel Waldman.

Hey, Joel.

Hey, what's up?

Tim and Joe, how are you coming to you live from an abandoned parking lot somewhere in the middle of, I have no idea where,

but looks like crack alley in Tallahassee.

So if I either am off or arrested by the police, you will know why.

So but business before pleasure and Tim and I are supposed to get dinner.

I am loopy right now.

I have warning advance.

We'll get into the details in a second.

But Tim, you have two people bailing on you for dinner.

I cannot divulge their names, but one writes for the Tallahassee Democrat.

Yeah.

The other works for a network news organization.

Neither them can make it now.

Now I got four.

Yeah, then there were four.

But let's let's let's dive into the particulars here.

It was a long and very grueling day.

Not only did, you know, the judge not have a chance to grab lunch, which is unusual for Judge Stephen

Ever. Most of the people who were there to serve, you know, their civic duty as potential

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