Today on the Grave Talks, we share part two of a very special classic episode with Dan Rivera.

Dan was lead investigator for the New England Society for Psychic Research and a proud U.S. Army veteran,

and he passed away unexpectedly on July 13, 2025 during the Gettysburg tour of the haunted Annabel doll.

Dan was a fearless yet deeply grounded presence in the paranormal world.

He brought humility and a deep respect for the unknown to every investigation.

At the Gettysburg event, he made it clear.

He wasn't there to scare people,

but to protect them, and he did just that, down to building the sacred case that held the infamous doll. His sudden passing leaves space that can't be filled. But today we let his

words speak once more. Here's part two of our episode with the

unforgettable Dan Rivera. Welcome to part two of our conversation with Dan Rivera about a dark world.

When you're on an investigation and it's a new one, you may not know a lot about it yet. You've asked your questions,

but it's enough for you to be there and you're in there. And it seems to be that there's something

negative going on, but you're not quite sure. It could possibly be something just as there's negative people in this world

and very evil, you know, seemingly people, but very, very dark intent that if you'd met them

as a ghost, you would almost automatically assume this is a demon, but in life you would almost

assume they were a demon,

too, because of their deeds. How is it that you're able to decipher between the two when you're

dealing with someone that is a spirit that was earthbound, but is very, very dark in their intent,

uh, versus something that is, in fact, demonic?

I believe that Earth-Polns spirit or a human spirit cannot possess a person.

I don't believe that they could do physical harm to a person.

Only a demonic spirit that has that much strength that could throw something across the room,

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