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Critics at Large | The New Yorker

In “Pluribus,” Utopia Isn’t All It’s Cracked Up to Be

Critics at Large | The New Yorker

The New Yorker

Society & Culture

4.4679 Ratings

🗓️ 20 November 2025

⏱️ 52 minutes

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Summary

Vince Gilligan’s new show, “Pluribus,” opens with an unconventional apocalypse. A benevolent alien hive mind descends on Earth, commandeering the bodies of all but a handful of people who appear to be immune, including a curmudgeonly writer named Carol Sturka. Though the world that the “joined” are building seems ideal—no more crime, efficient resource distribution, an end to discrimination—it doesn’t leave much room for Carol’s messy humanity. Is it worth it? On this episode of Critics at Large, Vinson Cunningham, Naomi Fry, and Alexandra Schwartz discuss “Pluribus” and other perfect societies imagined and enacted by artists and thinkers, from Thomas More’s 1516 satire, “Utopia,” to the Shaker movement and beyond. They reflect on why these experiments have rarely held up to scrutiny or benefitted more than a select few, and why we keep coming back to them anyway. “I’m not the most optimistic person,” Fry says. “But if you’re stuck in pessimistic, dystopic thinking, are you foreclosing on greater promise or greater potential of imagination?” 


Read, watch, and listen with the critics:

“Pluribus” (2025–)
“Breaking Bad” (2008-13)
“Better Call Saul” (2015-22)
“The X-Files” (1993-2002)
The Giver,” by Lois Lowry
Utopia,” by Thomas More
Les Guérillères,” by Monique Wittig
“Close Encounters of the Third Kind” (1977)
“The Testament of Ann Lee” (2025)
The Hunger Games,” by Suzanne Collins
Utopia for Realists,” by Rutger Bregman
“Ragtime” (1996)


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0:00.0

Let us open with a question. What would your perfect world look like?

0:07.1

For me, I thought about this a lot, the perfect world. Like if you had to just repeat the same day over and over again, right?

0:12.7

It would be a big city, say New York, at one of its times of sort of least population, either like late August in New York or just before Christmas in New York.

0:24.1

Thanksgiving weekend, perhaps.

0:25.6

Thanksgiving weekend, could be it as well.

0:27.6

Yeah.

0:28.6

And all you do all day is walk, stop in at bars and restaurants.

0:34.6

This is your only occupation.

0:36.6

There's always money in your account.

0:38.8

And you get to just hang out with your friends and then continue to walk the streets.

0:43.4

That does sound very nice.

0:44.6

The end.

0:45.3

Okay.

0:46.2

It's so interesting you say this, Vincent, because I was thinking you were going to come in with more of a, like, you know, total social structure situation.

0:52.7

You know, this is, but you're imagining a very

0:55.5

personalized experience of what perfection looks like for you.

1:00.1

So if I were going in that direction.

1:01.5

It's a social democracy.

1:02.4

Yeah, if I were going in that direction, exactly.

1:04.2

By the way, everyone's fine, like poverty is done.

1:07.7

Yeah, everyone is able to walk the streets and go into a bar in a restaurant with enough money in their pockets.

1:14.7

That's right.

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