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Critics at Large | The New Yorker

After “Wicked,” What Do We Want from the Musical?

Critics at Large | The New Yorker

The New Yorker

Society & Culture

4.4679 Ratings

🗓️ 27 November 2025

⏱️ 39 minutes

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Summary

The American musical is in a state of flux. Today’s Broadway offerings are mostly jukebox musicals and blatant I.P. grabs; original ideas are few and far between. Meanwhile, Jon M. Chu’s earnest (and lengthy) two-part adaptation of “Wicked”—an origin story for the Wicked Witch of the West that first premièred on the Great White Way over twenty years ago—has struck a chord with today’s audiences. On this episode of Critics at Large, Vinson Cunningham, Naomi Fry, and Alexandra Schwartz discuss “Wicked” before stepping back to trace the evolution of the musical form, from the first shows to marry song and story in the nineteen-twenties to the seventies-era innovations of figures like Stephen Sondheim. Amid the massive commercial, technological, and aesthetic shifts of the last century, how has the form changed, and why has it endured? “People who don’t like musicals will often criticize their artificiality,” Schwartz says. “Some things in life are so heightened . . . yet they’re part of the real. Why not put them to music and have singing be part of it?”

This episode originally aired on December 12, 2024.

Read, watch, and listen with the critics:

“Wicked” (2024)
The Animals That Made It All Worth It,” by Naomi Fry (The New Yorker)
Ben Shapiro Reviews ‘Wicked’
“Frozen” (2013)
“Hair” (1979)
“The Sound of Music” (1965)
“Anything Goes” (1934)
“Show Boat” (1927)
“Oklahoma” (1943)
“Mean Girls” (2017)
“Hamilton” (2015)
“Wicked” (2003)
“A Strange Loop” (2019)
“Teeth” (2024)
“Kimberly Akimbo” (2021)

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0:00.0

I want the note at the end, or it's like, you know, like the air note.

0:06.2

Wow.

0:07.3

I knew it would happen.

0:09.2

He's defying gravity already.

0:12.2

So exciting.

0:16.5

This is Critics at Large, a podcast from The New Yorker.

0:24.0

I'm Nomi Fry.

0:25.2

I'm Vincent Cunningham.

0:26.3

And I'm Alex Schwartz.

0:27.8

Each week on this show, we make sense of what's happening in the culture right now and how we got here.

0:33.4

Hello, critics.

0:34.5

Hi.

0:35.0

Hi.

0:36.1

So you may or may not have heard about a little movie that opened last week.

0:41.5

I'm of course talking about wicked colon for good.

0:45.2

Wow.

0:45.8

Part two.

0:52.4

The wicked witch can't elude us forever.

0:55.0

Not with Prince Fierro and his squadron hot on her trail.

1:00.0

The first installment of Wicked was a gigantic mega hit this time last year.

1:07.0

It made hundreds of millions of dollars at the box office. It took home Oscars for

1:12.2

costume design and production design. Defying Gravity was on the billboard top 100. The colors

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