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Hello, welcome to Scrum Five in conversation.

Our latest chart is with Wales Backrover Aaron Wainwright.

He was recently named as the Wales Rugby Writers Player of the Year.

After a while, a couple of brilliant seasons in the Red of Wales,

and playing for the dragons of course.

Now he's the pits of me of a late bloomer.

Unlike so many of us, he never dreamt of playing rugby for Wales.

Yes, he wanted to win a cap, but not on a rugby field.

Aaron Wainwright was going to be a footballer and a superstar as well.

As you'll hear, things didn't quite pan out, but it's a fascinating story that's had a huge impact on his career.

Here he is, I don't ask myself as a rugby nose now.

Just because you're not bothered?

I mean that.

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