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Immunity, Impunity, and Justice by the Numbers

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Politics, News, News Commentary

4.56K Ratings

🗓️ 23 May 2020

⏱️ 61 minutes

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Summary


A big show for the long weekend. First, Dahlia Lithwick is joined by Leah Litman of the University of Michigan Law School to discuss oral arguments in the Trump financial records cases, and to get granular with the question of who gets interrupted most in oral arguments over the phone. (Guess what? It’s gendered.)


Next, a big picture conversation about the rule of law and global justice before, during, and after COVID-19, with David Miliband of the International Rescue Committee


In the Slate Plus segment, Mark Joseph Stern takes us through arguments in the faithless electors case, the big religious freedom case that most people missed, and why you shouldn’t read too much into the Supreme Court’s latest order regarding the Mueller Report.  Sign up for Slate Plus now to listen and support our show.


Podcast production by Sara Burningham.



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0:00.0

The Department of Justice is taking the position that, well, in both cases, the court

0:07.7

recognized that the president is special, and we're arguing that the president is special.

0:13.0

QED, we win.

0:16.0

We're living in an age of impunity.

0:17.6

And impunity, of course, is not just the fact that people do illegal things, but that they get away with it.

0:24.2

Hi, and welcome back to Amicus. This is Slate's podcast on the courts and the law and the rule

0:29.6

of law and the Supreme Court and many other things that have the word law in it. I'm Dahlia Lithwick,

0:35.3

and I cover those topics for Slate. So this past

0:40.6

week, the court was finally done with its real-time telephonic argument experiment. And now what

0:47.6

looms for the remainder of the term are decisions that are pending in a slew of unbelievably

0:53.6

important consequential cases.

0:56.1

So we want to talk a little bit about the financial records cases that were argued last week.

1:01.7

And we also want to reflect on how those real-time telephone arguments fared in terms of, well, justice to the justices themselves. And we're going to

1:12.9

be talking to Leah Lipman about that. There's also just some tea leaf reading that we can do

1:19.6

while we wait for the decisions to come down. And Slate Plus members are going to get to hear from my

1:24.5

co-jurisprudential tea leaf confederate Mark Joseph Stern on all of that.

1:30.7

If you are not a Slate Plus member, you can always go to slate.com slash amicus plus to sign up.

1:38.0

Slate Plus members are truly right now helping secure Slate's future, doing it one membership at a time. And if you can afford to

1:46.4

join, we know times are hard, but if you can, we so truly appreciate it. Now, later on in the

1:53.0

show, we're going to do something a little bit different. We're pretty intentionally on this

1:57.9

show, usually a little bit myopic. It is, after all, chiefly a podcast

2:02.6

about the U.S. legal system. But sometimes we like to take a few steps back or jog a little

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