"If it's negative, it's a lie" w/ Erin and Rachel Alder

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Religion & Spirituality

4.8 • 566 Ratings

🗓️ 28 April 2021

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Summary

Rachel and Erin Alder are a married couple from Seattle. Shortly after they met they became entangled in a situation within AA where their vulnerabilities were being used to control their behavior by a manipulative sponsor. In Rachel's case, the vulnerability that was exploited Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder while Erin’s biggest vulnerability became whether the marriage was dependent on continued work with this manipulative group leader. Eventually, Rachel and Erin were able to break free from the exploitation of the invasive sponsor and her high-demand group after 7 years of control. In the second part of this 3-part story, the Alders detail some of the most heart-wrenching experiences they endured during their time in the group and explain the painful lessons they learned while trying to overcome tragedy. Before You Go: Rachel examines the narcissistic tendencies of group leaders who make everything about them. She explains how this manipulative tactic can be used as a means to control the narrative of others. To help support the show monthly and sign up for cool Indoctrination stickers and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Want to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link! www.paypal.me/indoctriNATION Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

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0:00.0	Welcome to Indocination, a weekly conversation series about protecting yourself from systems of control.
0:11.1	I'm your host, Rachel Bernstein.
0:13.9	Hi, everybody.
0:15.2	Please go to patreon.com slash indoctrination to become a subscriber of the show to help keep it on the air and keep it going.
0:22.9	Please partner with me and with my podcast team to make sure that this stays available to all
0:28.6	the people out there who just enjoy it or who benefit from it.
0:32.8	And for all the people who tell me that it's their weekly therapy.
0:43.5	Again, go to patreon.com slash indoctrination to become a subscriber for any amount you can.
0:46.4	Thank you so very much. And today, we have part two of my conversation with Rachel and Aaron Alder.
1:05.9	And when I asked Aaron and Rachel to send me an introductory paragraph or two about themselves.
1:14.4	I received something from Rachel, and she's speaking on both of their behalf, so I want to
1:21.3	be able to read it to you by way of an introduction.
1:26.4	My name is Rachel Alder, and I am a mom, a wife to Erin, a sister, a
1:32.1	daughter. I work providing case management services to older adults in the community, and my wife
1:38.0	works in marketing technology. I am originally from Nashville, Tennessee, and have lived in the
1:43.1	Seattle area since 2010.
1:45.9	And my wife has lived in this area for over 20 years. And since I was young, I have always felt a
1:51.3	passion inside me to stand up for those who can't for themselves. From 2012 to 2019,
1:58.3	shortly after Aaron and I met, we found ourselves in a situation within
2:02.3	AA where our vulnerabilities were being used to control our behavior.
2:07.5	I didn't think that could be something that would happen to me.
2:10.9	I am educated, including a degree in psychology.
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