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Hello, welcome to another episode of Pop Bear Hikes.

Today we're going to welcome back our friend Zach from 12 Hikes Podcast.

Zach, welcome back to Pop Bear Hikes.

Thanks Martin, appreciate it.

It's a I'm always happy to be on other people's podcasts.

That way I get to answer some questions instead of asking them.

It always feels like a bit of a day off, doesn't it?

Yeah, kind of, you could say that.

Yeah, because I've had a couple of people ask me, well, don't you get more

nervous being on the other side of it, not knowing what the questions are?

And it said, no, actually, it's kind of cool.

There's a lot of, there's a lot of stress to leading a conversation and trying

to steer it in a way that you want it to go.

This, this way, it's a lot less stressful.

I agree.

And before we go any further, Zach, a couple of things here.

Happy birthday.

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