Hi and welcome to the working songwriter, the show where today's best songwriters come to talk shop. I'm your host,

Joe Pug. Each episode here, we host a distinguished guest, and we ask them to go deep on their

inspiration, on their process, on the general ups and downs of making a life in music. So,

whether you're a grizzled veteran, still running the first version of

pro tools with pirated plugins, or else a scrappy upstart, somehow making an entire album

with the limited audio editing in Canva, this is your show, because ultimately it is what

every writer seeks most, an ironclad excuse to put off actually writing.

Hey, everybody, it's the last Friday of November 24, and I thank you for joining us.

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