Hello, a massive welcome to Happy Place with me, Fern Cotton.

This is the show that banishes any sense of shame.

Today, we're at the Happy Place Festival with Harriet Kemsley.

In my life, like, when I've had shame, if I can then make it into a joke, you have a power over it.

When you manage to make it funny, it's like almost like you've kind of, unless you're doing it from a place of pain,

it sometimes can feel like you've got to the other side of it.

And you can really tell if you've got to the other side of it

because people laugh at the joke.

And if they don't laugh, it's because they're worried about you.

The more you share it, it's like you give a little bit of shame to everybody else.

You share the embarrassment out and then it filters and you're not just alone feeling overwhelmed by it.

Right, this is the first of a bunch of chats that we had at the Happy Place Festival in Gunnersbury

that you're going to get to hear over the next few weeks.

Now, we're at Gunnersbury Park for the first time this year and it was just amazing.

I'm so grateful. I'm still buzzing from the whole thing.

It was just, it was just feel good vibes. All you lot that came were just so bloody lovely and the sun was shining. I mean, I don't want to say it, but if anything, it was too hot. But I'm not

going to moan about that because I would rather it be blue skies and gorgeous sunshine than pissing with rain.

So everyone was grinning from ear to ear. I hugged a lot of people. I heard a lot of people's stories.

It was just, it was magic. It was pure magic. I feel so unbelievably lucky. Honestly, I just bloody loved it. The tent that we did these podcasts in

was hot. And my thighs were just like, I was like slipping off the chair. It was ridiculous.

It was like doing a podcast in a sauna. But we got through it and it was just amazing. And I was so excited to have

Harriet on the podcast because I was the hugest fan, I'm the hugest fan of Last One Laughing,

...