Welcome to the Global Phenomenon, Surviving the Survivor, where we bring you the best guests in all of true crime.

This is a STS special, Surviving My Biggest case.

Here's your host, Emmy Award-winning journalist Joel Waldman.

What's up, S. D.S. Nation, and welcome to another episode

of Surviving the Survivor.

Tonight we bring you an STS special

called Surviving My Biggest Case,

and you know her face by now.

She is a frequent best guest on the podcast.

Tracy Walder is one of the few women to serve in both the Directorate of Operations at the CIA

and also as a special agent at the FBI. From 2000 to 2004,

Tracy served the CIA's Counterterrorism Center Weapons of Mass Destruction Group, followed by the FBI. a to travel to war zones and many other countries.

She now works as an author, an adjunct professor

of criminal justice at Texas Christian University.

And she also sits on the board of directors of Girl Security, and she is the author of the Unexpected Spy,

Tracy, I'm site for this.

Thank you for joining us.

I know we were just talking off camera a little bit. Do we do one half

CIA, one half FBI, because not a lot of people can say that, but you're one of the views.

So we decided we'll stick to some interesting stuff you dealt with at a CIA, starting with 9-11.

But prior to that, I mean, what made a woman like yourself go in to the CIA to begin with

and then ultimately the FBI?

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