Welcome to the Global Phenomenon, Surviving the Survivor, where we bring you the best guests in all of true crime.

This is an STS special, Surviving my biggest case.

Here's your host Emmy Award winning journalist Joel Waldman.

What's up, SDS Nation, and welcome to another episode

of Surviving the Survivor, the podcast that promises to bring you the very best guests in all of true crime.

And tonight, an STS special, we bring you a series called Surviving My Biggest Case and your Infertree

today. Our best guest is none other than Johnny Grusing. He spent 25 years as an FBI special agent

where he investigated international terrorism, espionage, bank robberies,

kidnappings, serial murders, special jurisdiction crimes,

missing persons, public corruption,

and other violent crime matters.

He was also involved in multiple high profile cases and studied behavior analysis, not to mention starring as a college basketball player playing guard for Texas Tech.

Don't let those humble looks fool you.

The guy tore it up on the court.

Johnny, great to have you back.

We haven't had you back enough, but I will change that soon enough.

Before we even get going, I think you told me you were a shooting guard, is that right?

Yeah, that's mainly the only way I got to play any

college basketball was learning how to shoot the ball so not not much defense here

Joel but was able to shoot the three a little bit.

And I know that you work with kids.

Are you able to go on a court today

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