Hello, hello, I'm Hugo Rifkin, and now we're going to be unpacking the politics of the day,

from Trump picking a fight with the Pope now over the Iran War, to whether the government's communication strategy is stuck in the past,

and also why a reform taking a more sober approach to their party conference? And are with me today,

treading soberly through all the big stories. They've probably just finished posting themselves, posting pictures of themselves mocked up as Jesus Christ as well. Less soberly. It is Times columnist, Seb Payne. I've never posted a picture for myself, Hugo, as Jesus. Not yet. Not yet. You know, there's still plenty of time to do that. I have to confess, never be thought about doing it either. Right. Okay. And Libby Purvis, Libby, you like, I know you like to follow him in every way. I was just to say, Seb would work very well as a cherub, actually. Him and Marriott, by the side of the frame. Have you, have you both seen the picture no not yet show show put it up oh well we'll um yeah we'll we'll bring it to you later it's a very real pleasure we'll come back to that

in a moment let's i've unfortunately seen it and i mean i know we say this almost every week but it's

just extraordinary can you think of any other leader of any country

in the world who would post a picture like that of themselves? Yes, idiomene. But other than that,

other than that, I'm at a loss. I did meet alive at the moment, but never mind. We're going to come

back to all that in a moment, but let's start in Hungary. Because EU leaders have jumped to

congratulate Hungary's new leader, Peter Magyar. He's toppled Victor Orban, who has long been

a thorn in the EU's side. Orban blocked support for Ukraine and sanctions against Russia,

among other things. Orban, he was also backed by J.D. Vance just a few days ago, and many

see what he called a liberal democracy as a model for

Trumpism. Libby, is this like, should we see this as a real sort of sea change in the fortunes of

Europe and particularly the fortunes of the hard right in Europe? It might be, absolutely.

Though what's interesting there, I was just listening to something about the maternity leave

provisions that they have in Hungary, which is two years full pay, uh, though what's interesting there was just listening to something about the maternity leave provisions

that they have in in Hungary which is two years full pay one year unpaid and free or cheap nurseries

from the age of three onwards so these hard right regimes do always contain some things

which are very popular with some groups and I think we have to remember that in the general

rejoicing, which I think is very justified rejoicing, that Orban himself is gone.

That is really interesting. Seb, should we see this? Is this as simple as a kind of a win for

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