I won't tell you that it's gonna be okay.

I won't tell you that it's going to be okay.

Welcome to another episode of the Macari Self's podcast.

We were having too much good material off in the background,

so I had to get my good friend, and let me just tell you something I don't I always talk about the people who I bring on the show is bringing a good friend and they are

But Dr Joseph is actually somebody that my daddy likes, which is a weird, I don't know if that's a weird compliment or what, but my daddy loves you and loves your writing and he just, I told him I was doing the show and he is he wanted me to tell you

hello so hello how are you doing today oh yeah no I love your father you know

Dr. Cleve Sellers is a legend and he's somebody who, you know, I've interviewed for my book on Stokely, have read multiple times the river of no return and again you know South Carolina you know

orange bird just so many different important things that your father has done is like, you know, he's right there with with

Stokely and with all the, you know, John Lewis and all those folks.

I appreciate that. There's so many unsung heroes I think is probably the best way.

Who is that over your right shoulder though? That's my mom. My mom passed away last year.

That's my late mother, Germain Joseph.

So I have her always in the background.

What's her first name?

Germain, Germain Joseph?

Her first name is Germain?

Yeah, her first name, yeah, she passed away last.

I have, I look at that.

I love, I love that name for her and she looks elegant sitting over your right shoulder.

We're going to hop right into it though.

And you've written some amazing works which we'll get to.

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