I won't tell you that it's gonna be okay.

I won't tell you that it's going to be okay.

Welcome to another episode of Boccarice Helms Podcast.

First of all, I need to say thank you to everybody who voted for us,

for the NAACP Image Awards, make it so you can see you to vote. Thank you for the N-W-A-C-P Image Awards, make so you can see you to vote.

Thank you for the nomination.

And today, like most days on this show,

one of the things we pride ourselves on

is having guests that are smarter than the host,

and we have arranged that again, none other than Kurt Wagner. How are you doing today, brother?

I'm great. How you doing? Thanks for having me.

Man, I am doing great. So my show is unique in that I ask all of our guests the same first question, which is to walk us through the arc of your career.

Walk us through each of your career stops since finishing Santa Clara College.

Yeah, sure.

My first job kind of lucked into it actually was covering tech for Fortune magazine out in San Francisco

and I didn't really care a ton about tech

to be honest with you, but I went to school.

As you mentioned at Santa Clara,

which is in the Bay Area, and, you know,

Bay Area is Tech Central, right? and so that was sort of the opportunity

that presented itself and one of the best bits of advice I got from someone was

basically like if you want to write just write like don't you know worry too much about the topic like you can always sort of

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