Human Agency vs "Agentic” AI (Robert Wright & Kanjun Qiu)

Robert Wright's Nonzero

Nonzero

News & Politics, Society & Culture, Philosophy

4.7 • 618 Ratings

🗓️ 23 January 2025

⏱️ 48 minutes

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0:28 Kanjun’s role as CEO of AI research lab Imbue 2:45 Worrying about a “Wall-E world” 13:32 Building human-centric AI agents 22:05 How far away is truly “agentic” AI? 32:00 The road to AI serfdom 40:42 Does the AI revolution call for a psychological revolution? 45:24 Heading to Overtime

Robert Wright (Nonzero, The Evolution of God, Why Buddhism Is True) and Kanjun Qiu (Imbue). Recorded January 15, 2025.

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0:00.0	You're listening to Robert Wright's Non-Zero podcast. You're listening to Robert Wright's Non-Zero podcast.
0:29.0	Hi, Kandjune.
0:31.0	Hey, Bob.
0:32.0	How are you here?
0:33.4	Good.
0:34.5	Good.
0:35.2	Let me introduce us.
0:36.4	I'm Robert Wright, publisher of the non-zero newsletter.
0:38.5	This is a non-zero podcast, your Kanjun Q, the CEO of Mbue.
0:45.7	I hadn't actually thought about the rhythm of that description that you chose to found a company that rhymes with your last name.
0:53.5	That was a good idea.
0:54.9	I never thought about that. Wow.
0:56.6	Yeah, no, you should go with that.
0:59.3	We'll talk after the recording.
1:01.5	The, you also, I was looking at your Wikipedia entry.
1:05.8	So first of all, I gather you've raised at least 200 million.
1:10.2	I mean, the company has from investors, including Nvidia, a company that almost no one had heard of except for gamers three years ago, and now everyone has heard of.
1:20.9	It also says you're the co-author of a book called Sew Electric, S-E-W that uses sewing to teach computer science
1:28.7	to middle and high school students,
1:30.0	and you founded something called the Archive,
1:31.9	the Long-Term Co-Living House in San Francisco.
1:34.8	I hope we'll have time to talk about some of that stuff.
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