You're listening to Non Zero World.

I'm your host, Connor Eccles, and this week we're bringing you a slightly different kind of episode.

As you mentioned last week,

my co-host Andrew Day is leaving non-zero to join the American Conservative as a senior editor.

So in the next few weeks, we'll be breaking our typical format a bit. Sometimes that will mean having Robert Wright join me for the first half of the conversation. And sometimes, like this

week, it'll mean just

sharing an interview with an interesting expert or journalist.

For today's episode, I spoke with longtime progressive journalist Natasha Hakemi Zapata

about her forthcoming book, Another World is Possible, published by the new press.

For this book, Natasha traveled all around the world to find

examples of successful domestic policies implemented by other countries that the U.S. should try to

emulate. The conversation is in many ways an attempt at being hopeful in the early days of the Trump

administration. I try to focus on good programs that could draw genuine bipartisan

support within the U.S. as well, like improved family leave policies. This episode is fully

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newsletter. You can subscribe at nonzero.substack.com. Now, here is my conversation with Natasha.

And Natasha, how can we Zapata?

Welcome to the show.

Hey, thanks for having me.

Yeah, very happy to have you on.

Today we are going to be talking about your very interesting new book, which do you

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