meta_pixel
Tapesearch Logo
Log in
The Conversation with Dasha Burns

How Washington’s top book critic reads between 2024’s political lines

The Conversation with Dasha Burns

POLITICO

News, Politics, Government

4.01.6K Ratings

🗓️ 1 March 2024

⏱️ 54 minutes

🧾️ Download transcript

Summary

Carlos Lozada is a columnist for The New York Times, and before that, the longtime nonfiction book critic for The Washington Post.  In 2019, Lozada won the Pulitzer Prize for criticism for a series of pieces that judges described as “trenchant and searching reviews and essays that joined warm emotion and careful analysis in examining a broad range of books addressing government and the American experience.” Well, he's now collected nearly a decade of such reviews in what he calls “The Washington Book: How to Read Politics and Politicians,” which was released this week.  “If the art of politics can be to subtract meaning from language to produce more and more words that say less and less,” he writes, “then it is my purpose as a journalist to try to find that meaning and put it back.” He reads a lot of books by politicians. As he likes to say, he reads all those books so that you don't have to.  But he's found a way to use those books to say something interesting about those same politicians.  So what does Carlos's close reading of the likes of Barack Obama, Donald Trump, Joe Biden, Mike Pence, Ron DeSantis and many others reveal about our politics in 2024? It turns out quite a lot. On this week’s episode of Deep Dive, host and Playbook co-author Ryan Lizza sits down with Carlos in POLITICO's offices to find out more. Ryan Lizza is a Playbook co-author for POLITICO.Carlos Lozada is an opinion columnist and co-host of the weekly “Matter of Opinion” podcast for The New York Times. Kara Tabor is a producer for POLITICO audio. Alex Keeney is a senior producer for POLITICO audio. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Transcript

Click on a timestamp to play from that location

0:00.0

Carlos Lazzada is a columnist for the New York Times and before that the long time

0:10.2

non-fiction book critic for the Washington Post. In 2019, Lazzato won the Pulitzer

0:16.0

Prize for criticism for a series of pieces that judges described as

0:20.4

trenchant and searching reviews and essays that joined warm emotion and careful

0:26.0

analysis and examining a broad range of books addressing government and the American

0:31.0

experience.

0:32.0

Well he's now collected nearly a decade of such reviews in what he calls the Washington book,

0:38.0

How to Read Politics and Politicians, which was released this week.

0:44.1

If the art of politics can be to subtract meaning

0:46.9

from language to produce more and more words

0:49.8

that say less and less, he writes, than it is my purpose as a journalist to try to find that

0:56.3

meaning and put it back.

0:58.8

He reads a lot of books by politicians, as he likes to say, he reads all those books so that you don't have to.

1:06.5

If people want to read my columns and reviews and books in lieu of reading all the others?

1:13.8

I have no problem with that.

1:14.9

I have no concerns.

1:16.6

But he's found a way to use those books

1:19.4

to say something interesting about those same politicians.

1:22.8

What is real, what is performance.

1:24.8

With politicians I think it's sort of an instinctive reaction to assume that everything at all times

1:31.6

is a performance?

1:33.0

So what is Carlos's close reading of the likes of Barack Obama and Donald Trump and

...

Please login to see the full transcript.

Disclaimer: The podcast and artwork embedded on this page are from POLITICO, and are the property of its owner and not affiliated with or endorsed by Tapesearch.

Generated transcripts are the property of POLITICO and are distributed freely under the Fair Use doctrine. Transcripts generated by Tapesearch are not guaranteed to be accurate.

Copyright © Tapesearch 2026.