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to discover even more. Welcome to Grow Cookie to Range, the podcast of me, Sarah Raven, and today I'm joined by my often

co-host, Arthur Parkinson, which is incredibly nice. And we are actually going to talk predominantly

about his garden, and he's going to set the

scene of where it is and what it is and also the trouble with small kind of village or urban

gardens which is sometimes privacy and that isn't that you don't love your neighbours because

hopefully you do but it's just

being able to have the feeling that you're in a sort of more populated space but you still got

your own little womb of a garden and so it was Arthur's suggestion actually to do this as a subject

because I think the more and more of

us that live in towns and cities and not so much in the countryside the more it's relevant that

our outside space is a real haven and having that privacy is a key part of that. So Arthur,

welcome first of all. How are you?

Hello. I'm all right. Thank you.

And then just describe your little mini flower yard in Gloucestershire and the sort of dilemmas that you've had with it.

Well, this episode came about because the original suggestion was a Clomatis, I think.

And at the time I was on the phone to you, I was looking out to the garden, and we've got, like most gardens,

it's surrounded by two-part wall, and then all the way along the back, a woven willow fence,

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