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Feel Better, Live More with Dr Rangan Chatterjee

How To Talk To Children About Race with Dr Pragya Agarwal #165

Feel Better, Live More with Dr Rangan Chatterjee

Dr Rangan Chatterjee

Health & Fitness, Medicine, Alternative Health, Mental Health

4.810.9K Ratings

🗓️ 17 March 2021

⏱️ 100 minutes

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Summary

This conversation is about a really important topic - how we should talk about bias, discrimination and race. The advice is relevant for everyone, whether you have children or not but will be particularly helpful if you’ve ever felt confused or conflicted about how to talk to children about race. My guest is the brilliant Dr Pragya Agarwal, she’s a behavioural scientist, an academic, a journalist and an award-winning author, who has written widely on unconscious bias and prejudice, racial inequality, parenting and gender. Dr Agarwal’s most recent book Wish We Knew What To Say: Talking With Children About Race is a super-practical, readable manual for people of all backgrounds and ethnicities. I think many people want to get involved in the conversation around race and discrimination but can sometimes feel fearful and scared of saying the wrong thing. I had these common sentiments at the top of my mind when having this conversation with Dr Agarwal and I hope you will find this conversation non-judgmental and compassionate. We begin by talking about at what age it’s appropriate to bring up the subject of race with children – and why ignoring differences in race or skin my not be helpful if we want our children to thrive in a diverse, multi-cultural world. We also discuss the importance of proactively talking about race and privilege with your children no matter what your skin colour. In fact, research shows that when children witness racism, or even see it in the media, it can have adverse effects on their health and wellbeing – even if it’s not directed at them. Dr Agarwal and I share our own personal experiences of racism and why an open dialogue on these issues is vital. We talk about a wide range of related issues including, unpacking what bias really means, understanding where it comes from, and how to know what the right terminology is to use when it comes to race. I love how Pragya explains how we can help our children to stay comfortably curious but non-judgemental, how to teach them to recognise and address unfairness and how to discourage them from shame and guilt but promote empathy and allyship.   This episode is a hugely practical guide for anyone, of any skin colour, who wants to learn the methods, tools and vocabulary that we can use to talk about people’s differences. This really was a wonderful conversation and I hope that it will contribute towards a more equal and connected world. Show notes available at https://drchatterjee.com/165 Follow me on instagram.com/drchatterjee/ Follow me on facebook.com/DrChatterjee/ Follow me on twitter.com/drchatterjeeuk DISCLAIMER: The content in the podcast and on this webpage is not intended to constitute or be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Always seek the advice of your doctor or other qualified health care provider with any questions you may have regarding a medical condition. Never disregard professional medical advice or delay in seeking it because of something you have heard on the podcast or on my website.

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0:00.0

The point of these conversations is not to create a divisive world because we want to remove divisions.

0:05.7

We want equality. We want fair-mindedness. We want everybody to have the same opportunities no matter what.

0:12.1

And I think for that we have to hear why some people are not having the same opportunities or they might have certain obstacles.

0:18.8

And unless we hear that, how do we address it?

0:21.2

And I think that's the crucial bit.

0:24.0

We all are in this together.

0:26.7

Hi, my name is Rangan Chatsji.

0:30.5

Welcome to Feel Better Live More.

0:44.7

This week's conversation is about a really important topic and one that I honestly don't think gets spoken about enough within the health and wellness space. How should we talk about

0:50.4

discrimination, bias and race, particularly with our children.

0:55.7

Now, to be really clear, this conversation is relevant to each and every single one of us,

1:00.8

whether we have children or not, because the themes within it are universal.

1:05.3

But I do think it's going to be especially helpful for parents or teachers who have ever felt confused or

1:13.2

conflicted about how to talk to children about race. My guest is the brilliant Dr. Pragya Agarwal.

1:21.4

She's a behavioural scientist, an academic, a journalist and an award-winning author who has written widely on unconscious bias,

1:31.0

prejudice, racial inequality, parenting and gender. And her most recent book, Wish We New

1:37.5

What to Say, Talking with Children About Race, is a super practical, readable manual for people of all backgrounds and ethnicities.

1:47.0

Now, I think many people actually want to get involved in the conversation around race and discrimination,

1:53.0

but can sometimes feel fearful and scared of saying the wrong thing.

1:58.0

I had these common sentiments at the top of my mind when having this

2:02.6

conversation with Prague yet a few months back, and we both tried really hard to make the conversation

2:08.2

as inclusive, compassionate and non-judgmental as possible. We begin talking about at what age

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