How to Start a Psych Medication IV
The Carlat Psychiatry Podcast
Pocket Psychiatry: A Carlat Podcast
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🗓️ 8 September 2025
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Summary
Ziprasidone and quetiapine. One goes better fast, one slow. Also the mystery of ghost pills, and a research update on pramipexole.
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Published On: 09/08/2025
Duration: 13 minutes, 47 seconds
Chris Aiken, MD and Kellie Newsome, PMHNP have disclosed no relevant financial or other interests in any commercial companies pertaining to this educational activity.
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| 0:00.0 | Should you titrate antipsychotic slowly or just get it over with and push the dose up? |
| 0:04.9 | The answer depends on which one you're using. |
| 0:07.9 | Plus, a research update on Primapexol in treatment-resistant depression. |
| 0:15.4 | Welcome to the Carlet Psychiatry Podcast, keeping psychiatry honest since 2003. |
| 0:21.0 | I'm Chris Aiken, the editor-in-chief of the Carlott Psychiatry Report. |
| 0:24.7 | And I'm Kelly Newsom, a psych MP, and a dedicated reader of every issue. |
| 0:32.1 | Two antipsychotics that have always confused me are quittapine and zeprazidone. These two cause a lot of problems when I'm |
| 0:40.2 | starting them, sedation, dizziness, hypotension. So the question is, should I raise them slowly, |
| 0:47.6 | or does that just drag out the pain, like slowly going into the cold water of the pool one inch at a time? |
| 0:53.8 | The answer is different for each of them. |
| 0:56.6 | With zeprazadone, geodon, you want to titrate rapidly. Paradoxically, patients tend to tolerate |
| 1:03.3 | suprasadone better in the higher dose range. Several studies found that patients stuck with |
| 1:09.2 | zeprazadone longer if they started it at a high dose, |
| 1:13.6 | like 120 to 160 milligrams, than if they started it at a low dose, like 40 to 80. |
| 1:20.6 | On a similar note, many clinicians find it easier to tolerate suprasidone if they just raise it up quickly, and that strategy has |
| 1:28.8 | also proven successful in clinical trials. Here's how to titrate suprasidone in mania and schizophrenia. |
| 1:36.2 | Start with 40 milligrams twice daily with a fulmule, and raise the titrate to the treating dose of 120 to 160 milligrams by the third day of treatment. |
| 1:50.0 | So basically get it up there to the full dose within three days. |
| 1:54.6 | Quatyapine, that's a different story. |
| 1:57.1 | Faster titration is less tolerable here. |
| 1:59.9 | It brings higher risks of sedation, dizziness, agitation, |
| 2:04.1 | and other side effects. That conclusion is from a 2019 analysis of 18 studies that compared |
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