Instead of trying to control everything, instead of trying to have the five-year plan, what would it look like if I just started by being curious and letting go of the outcome and just experimenting?

Welcome back. Today we have part one of my conversation with On Laura Lecomph. She's a neuroscientist, an entrepreneur, and one of the most original thinkers on how we can learn and grow and create. I think she's absolutely amazing. I'm so excited to introduce her to you. She left a high power job at Google to study neuroscience, and now she

conducts research into the neuroscience of learning and curiosity at King's College in London.

She's also the founder of Ness Labs, a company that helps people think better and live more

intentionally. Her work blends science and creativity and practical tools that challenge a lot of current myths,

like the myth of the perfect linear path. We always want a linear path to success, right?

I read her book, Tiny Experiments. It blew me away, and I was so excited to have her on the show.

This is part one of two. Sometimes when there's so much that I want to learn from people,

I will break it into a two-part show. This is one of those. As I said before, she's absolutely

brilliant. I am a huge fan of hers. I'm so excited to have her on. But before we dive in,

I wanted to tell you, let's get started with On Lor. I am absolutely giddy to have you on the show.

I have your book here in my hand, Tiny Experiments.

It's your first book.

You are absolutely brilliant.

I've been telling everyone about this book.

There's so much great content in here.

I don't even know where to begin. I think my first thought when I read this book was, why has no one taught us this way to live to create little experiments and see what we actually want out of life? There is no time in an education system when you're growing up where someone says, hey, you don't have to have

it all figured out. You don't have to create a life that's just difficult goal after difficult

goal. Let's see what works for you. And I love that freedom. So let's do just a quick story on

you. You're working at Google.

You're kind of burned out.

You go home to France to visit your family.

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