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How To! with Mike Pesca

How To Live With Chronic Pain

How To! with Mike Pesca

Peach Fish Projects

Education, How To

4.32K Ratings

🗓️ 10 June 2025

⏱️ 35 minutes

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Summary

Mavi was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis more than 15 years ago. Since then, she's managed her symptoms and myriad life changes—but the past several months have been dominated by intense, chronic pain. On this episode of How To!, Carvell Wallace brings on Toni Bernhard, author of How to Be Sick and How to Live Well With Chronic Pain and Illness, to talk with Mavi about making peace with this new normal.

If you liked this episode check out: How To Withstand Pain.

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The show is produced by Rosemary Belson, with Kevin Bendis. Our technical director is Merritt Jacob and our supervising producer is Joel Meyer.

Transcript

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0:00.0

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0:23.7

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0:25.0

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0:30.0

She was in chronic pain and I think it might have been rheumatoid arthritis. And she said,

0:36.2

I wish I had cancer.

0:39.3

Because then people would believe me and support me.

0:47.3

Right.

0:47.5

Yeah, I know.

0:49.4

We do a terrible job of preparing people for what life has in store.

0:57.0

Welcome to how to. I'm Carvel Wallace. I want you to think back to the last time that you were in pain.

1:05.0

I mean, some of you could be experiencing pain right now, but if not, do you remember what it felt like? How sharp it was,

1:13.9

or how dull it was, or how pervasive or distracting it was? For 50 million adults in the U.S.,

1:21.5

that kind of pain, chronic pain, is a reality. So what do you do if that's you? Well, that's what today's listener wants to know.

1:32.1

My name is Mavi, and I am a 50-year-old mother of two. I was working as a special education teacher.

1:40.4

I had pretty young children at home. I, you know, I had worked for this life.

1:46.7

I had a master's degree in special education.

1:48.9

Very suddenly, I became very ill.

1:52.5

Looking back, there were probably signs that Mavi was sick,

1:55.8

signs that at the time she attributed to overwork and stress.

1:59.9

But then something happened that Mavi couldn't write

2:03.6

off. My feet went completely numb very suddenly, like I was on yard duty at school one day

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