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April 17th with a first guest you won't want to miss. Available wherever you get your podcasts.

Hi, Wendy McNatton. Hi, Courtney Martin. Okay, how should we start this thing?

You want to kick it off with some blind contour drawing?

Your signature move?

I don't go to formal intro.

I was waiting to get a formal intro.

Welcome to how to.

I'm Courtney Martin.

Guys, this episode feels like the equivalent of when you're sitting in school. It's a beautiful day out. And your teacher allows you to have class outside. Oh my gosh, what a treat. And it feels that way because I'm joined by a very special guest. Her name is Wendy McNaughton. She's an award-winning artist, best-selling author,

and she's currently helping a hundred thousand people

discover the joy of drawing on her substack draw together.

Oh, and she's an incredible friend.

In fact, friend might be putting it sort of lightly.

We're besties.

We met a decade ago, and ever since,

she's been teaching me

about art, forcing me to talk on the phone, and making me laugh so hard, I pee a little.

Wendy specializes in a bunch of things, but one of them is drawing people, on the corner of the

street, on the subway, in hidden mahjong parlors basically anywhere. The portraits are

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