How To Forgive the Unforgivable
How To! with Mike Pesca
Peach Fish Projects
4.3 • 2K Ratings
🗓️ 17 March 2020
⏱️ 27 minutes
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Summary
For years Claire has been holding on to a terrible family secret: Her mom physically abused Claire's brother when he was young. How could her mom have done that? Now, over a decade later, both Claire's mother and brother have passed away, but Claire still grapples daily with feelings of anger and deep resentment toward her mom. In this episode of How To!, we bring in Reverend Mpho Tutu van Furth, the daughter of Archbishop Desmond Tutu and author of The Book of Forgiving. Mpho struggled with forgiveness herself after experiencing an awful tragedy in her South African home. The first step to forgiveness, Mpho says, is telling the story of the hurt—whether that means writing it down or, in Claire's case, coming on a podcast.
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| 1:12.9 | To this day, I don't have pictures of her in the house. I can't look at it. |
| 1:19.9 | You know, in my professional life, I've taken care of children who ended up being murdered by |
| 1:25.8 | their parents. |
| 1:29.2 | And I've seen horrific abuse. |
| 1:31.3 | I don't think I can forgive her. |
| 1:34.1 | I don't think that she deserves forgiveness. |
| 1:39.3 | This is how-to. I'm Charles Duhick. |
| 1:43.0 | Each week, we talk to a listener who's struggling with something in their life and wants to know how to make it better. |
| 1:44.4 | Yeah, it's kind of unnerving to have kept this secret for so long and then to tell |
| 1:50.8 | it in such a public way. |
| 1:54.3 | This is Claire. |
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