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How To! with Mike Pesca

How To Forgive the Unforgivable

How To! with Mike Pesca

Peach Fish Projects

How To, Education

4.32K Ratings

🗓️ 17 March 2020

⏱️ 34 minutes

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Summary

For years Claire has been holding on to a terrible family secret: Her mom physically abused Claire's brother when he was young. How could her mom have done that? Now, over a decade later, both Claire's mother and brother have passed away, but Claire still grapples daily with feelings of anger and deep resentment toward her mom. In this episode of How To!, we bring in Reverend Mpho Tutu van Furth, the daughter of Archbishop Desmond Tutu and author of The Book of Forgiving. Mpho struggled with forgiveness herself after experiencing an awful tragedy in her South African home. The first step to forgiveness, Mpho says, is telling the story of the hurt—whether that means writing it down or, in Claire's case, coming on a podcast.

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Hey listeners, you may notice that my voice sounds a little different today.

0:03.7

That's because all of us at Slate, probably like you, are working remotely during this pandemic.

0:09.1

And so I'm using a different microphone and I am recording this from inside the closet of my home.

0:15.0

And we really appreciate all of you sticking with us during this time.

0:18.8

And we hope to return the favor by being able to deliver an episode to you every week

0:22.8

that makes surviving this a little bit easier.

0:25.9

And if you have any questions about how

0:27.8

to get through this period,

0:28.8

we will do our best to find some answers.

0:31.2

Just drop us a note at how to at slate.com. And in the meantime, please

0:36.6

stay safe and healthy and away from crowds and keep listening.

0:47.0

To this day, I don't have pictures of her in the house. I can't, I can't look at it.

0:49.0

You know, in my professional life, I've taken care of children who ended up being murdered by

0:55.8

their parents, and I've seen horrific abuse.

1:00.0

I don't think I can forgive her.

1:01.4

I don't think that she deserves forgiveness.

1:04.4

This is how to, I'm Charles Duick.

1:10.4

Each week we talk to a listener who's struggling with something in their life and wants to know how to make it better.

1:15.0

Yeah, it's kind of unnerving to have kept the secret for so long and then to tell it in such a public way.

1:24.0

This is Claire.

1:25.0

She's a retired pediatric physician living in New Mexico.

1:28.0

Claire's not her real name because as you can hear,

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