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Welcome back.

We're here with Dr. Carolyn Lee, Offler, Switch On Your Brain, and a number of other books,

we're going to talk about trauma. And this is such an important issue now when you're in a global pandemic.

But, you know, your early life in South Africa, they were having societal trauma in many ways and you helped many people

who not only were starving but also had gone through significant trauma.

Talk to us about how your work helps that.

See, be specific with us so the people who have who are listening

Often have had significant trauma in their past

It's a emotional had significant trauma in their past. That's emotional trauma because I mean I've heard you talk about the physical trauma but also the emotional trauma so.

So, so, it's a great question and I think that's very relevant.

My, pretty much my whole career has been involved with working with people in very traumatic situations and helping them to manage.

And then also I've worked with many other different groups of people and everyone has trauma so that's the big thing we've got to level the playing fields we all have

trauma but different and always like look at sort of a scale and think okay you've got your bell curve and there's the average

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