What is going on, everyone? Welcome back to the Epic Gardening Podcast, Kevin

Espiritu here. So we have Jen McGinnis. She is the author of MicroFood Gardening

out April 13th, and she's also the author of the Fraud Zinny Blog, which is a

great blog on ornamental and edible gardening. But today, we are talking about all

of you who grow in small spaces. And remember, I was a very small space gardener at the beginning

of my career, hobby, whatever you want to call that. And Jen, actually, I'm curious, when you

started gardening, were you in a relatively large space, or were you in a pretty small one?

So I grew up with gardening, and I was fortunate to have a small backyard in the city,

but I had a lot of friends who only had access to apartment balconies or, you know, the little

porch out front. After I got out of college, I lived in an apartment for a long time, and I only

had access to the West Facing Windows, but think goodness, they're a West Facing. I've had a lot

of sunlight coming in. Yeah, I mean, I would say when I really started to go, well, it was a

transitionary time for me, but when I went full time on Epic Gardening, I was moving from a

downtown apartment with a West Facing balcony. So at least I had that, but it was one of those

very thin balconies that you could almost not fit your body on. Oh, yeah. So it really existed,

but it wasn't amazing. And then the indoor situation was less something to be desired, but I

moved from there to the old Epic Garden, which was that front yard garden in that semi-urban

space. And so, of course, I had more space there, but that was still only about 15 by 30 feet.

I wouldn't necessarily call that small for the purposes of what we're talking about today,

but I mean, that does bring us to this whole idea of how do I, if I'm listening to this episode,

look at my space and say, okay, well, what can I even do? Sure. Well, I have to say that I'm in a

similar camp. I was able to purchase a home and I do have a garden now, but I found that most of my

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