Welcome to Betrayal Trauma Recovery. This is Anne. I have my friend Dawn Hawkins on today's episode.

She is the executive director of the National Center on Sexual Exploitation.

I have invited her here to talk about how Nicosie or the National Center on Sexual

Exploitation helps keep women safe in a variety of different ways from exploitation. Welcome Don. Thank you and I'm so happy to be here. We love

your podcast. So I wanted you Don to talk about how my listeners who are extremely

interested in stopping the harms of pornography and exploitation,

how they can get involved in the fight.

What do you need our listeners to do?

I have a long list of things that people can do to really help in this fight, but let me start by saying I think one of the weaknesses in the fight against any one area of sexual exploitation is that often we silo these issues and really they're all interconnected.

It's so important that we look at how pornography is connected to

violence against women or how pornography is driving demand for sex trafficking

and prostitution or how pornography even is connected to child sexual abuse and child pornography.

There's so much intersectionality and I think we do a disservice when we try to

silo them out.

And so really if your listeners could take away from this

the need to talk about these issues as connected,

it will help grow the entire movement.

And I think it will foster more holistic solutions.

I could not agree more. In fact, one woman who I recently met, she's considering

whether or not she should continue to date someone.

And I know about his history of porn use.

And she texted me and she said,

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