Hi this is Hope.

This is Kagan from Washington, D.C. and you're welcome to another episode of No Meat Athlete Radio.

I'm Matt Frazier joined by Doug Hey. Today we're talking about personal development.

Hey Matt. How's it going Doug? I'm excited to talk about this because I could use a little

personal development I think. I think you can use some self-improvement. that's probably a better term for it.

That's probably a better term for it.

Probably true.

For some self-help maybe.

These all mean the same thing in common parlance.

Self-Help, Self- Improvement, personal development, none of them is a good name, which I think is the reason that

it just is not a huge popular thing yet, because I think it's awesome, but it definitely has a branding problem

And if there's no you wouldn't say it's a huge thing at all

I mean isn't the self-help books? Isn't that like the-selling books there I guess they are but like if I talk about Tony Robbins people think it's like a cult or something yeah yeah I mean I just I just feel like as much as I get out of that that it seems that it to me that it would be much bigger

that I don't know who that is yeah and I do think a lot of it is that there's not a

good name for it there's it's just self-help is terrible self-improvement just

sounds like you're never happy with how things are and you think you always have to be better

Yeah, and personal development is just boring so not a good name for it, but anyway we are going to talk about it today and the reason is

because I just got back from Virginia Beach where I went for the weekend to

visit our no-made athlete running group there went only for that. Just like I visited the Miami group before,

I'm going to be visiting Oklahoma City in a few weeks,

and that's just because these are some of our groups

that are the most active and doing the coolest stuff,

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