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Is it true that you were once homeless? Yeah, there was a season. I had a pretty

tumultuous adolescence and made some pretty poor choices.

There's nothing that can suck the life out any more than traditional school and confusion and despair about your life in general or was this just about the academics?

It's a great question. Yeah, I think what happens is for many people is that they just don't feel like they belong anywhere.

When you do that hard work, then the attainment of the goal becomes easy because it just happens.

That's what we call life flow or alignment, right? It just seems miraculous. It's joyful. It didn't seem like work.

And we talk about this idea that like habits don't stick

just because we want them bad enough. Welcome to the Mark Devine show. Thanks so much for joining me

today. I'm your host, Mark Devine. And this show is more than a podcast. We're a tribe of bold

leaders committed to growing in courage, resilience, and heart.

So if that sounds like you, you want to lead life with purpose and awareness, then you're in the right place.

So who yeah.

Super stoked to have my guest here today, Dr. Robin Hanley Defoe, In a world marked with burnout anxiety and constant pressure.

Everyone's trying to hold it together. People aren't lacking information or options,

but they are lacking hope. Dr. Robin is an award-winning resiliency research and educator known as the Hope Scientist.

She's got a new book called I Hope So, How to Choose Hope, Even When It's Hard.

This book reframes Hope, not as wishful thinking, but as a science-backed strategy for well-being, performance, and mental health.

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