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Started writing his first angel checks back 19 years ago.

First went into cloudability, 20K check.

That turned out nice from it.

In fact, 19 years later after that first check, he still got 40% of his checks.

He's written, call it in play, 40% of dead and 20% who the hell knows what happened to those guys.

But it growing nicely, a lot of diverse

investments. And you know, he's building it really a life he loves. He has a own manufacturing

company on the side, doesn't want to run his own thing and like supporting entrepreneurs with right

governance, right structure, especially in the early days as they scale and obviously hopefully

generate returns. Hey, folks, my guest today is Ben Keeps. He is a professional board member and

globally recognized technology commentator along with being an entrepreneur.

He's building governance, investment, and analysis at diversity.net.net.nz.

Ben, you ready to take us to the top?

Always.

All right.

So my audience is obsessed with SaaS.

Walk me through how you think about investing in B2B SaaS companies? Yeah, so, I mean, the great thing about B2B SaaS is that the metrics are so obvious,

you know, LTV, tech, you know, all of those sorts of things.

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